tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post110953947769555665..comments2024-03-27T23:59:49.801+00:00Comments on Stoat: Looking at: www.globalwarming.orgWilliam M. Connolleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-32241496682609128252009-02-18T03:14:00.000+00:002009-02-18T03:14:00.000+00:00Belette quoted much info from the globalwarming.or...Belette quoted much info from the globalwarming.org website, including a very nasty little piece of confirmed propaganda stating:<BR/> <BR/>"A Gallup survey indicated that only 17% of the members of the American Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society thought the warming of the 20th century was the result of an increase in greenhouse gas emissions."<BR/><BR/>Belette rightly comments this factoid looks untrustworthy. But I have interesting background on this little piece of propaganda.<BR/><BR/>Years ago, someone forwarded this same blurb (about the 17% Gallop poll number), and I researched it out to find the source of the information.<BR/><BR/>First of all, there's not even such a thing as the "American Geophysical Society," which is the first tip-off the data is dubious. It's actually called the "American Geophysical UNION."<BR/><BR/>The second tip-off is, as belette points out, that there's no year given when the poll was done, and no link or reference to any supporting evidence.<BR/><BR/>It was quite hard to track down the truth about the Gallop poll, because those who orchestrated this rumor saw to it that the facts would always get scrambled up a bit to make it very hard to do any fact-checking. For example, they would sometimes quote the poll being from 1990, and sometimes say it was from 1992 (the real poll was in 1991). The quotes don't even always say 17%, but will sometimes say it was 19% and 20% of scientists (the real number was 66%!) And, as we've seen, they screw up the names of the organizations -- all to make it harder to Google your way to the truth. If they throw out the wrong year here and a slightly wrong percentage number there, and say "Society" instead of "Union," it makes it much harder to search out the actual Gallop poll, thus harder to catch their LIE. It's very deliberately used to keep people confused and misinformed. Very calculated. <BR/><BR/>So it seems clear to me that globalwarming.org is NOT to be trusted. These are NOT people you should be trusting, no matter WHAT they tell you.<BR/><BR/>Of course, lots of people are innocently quoting the bogus poll data, believing it's true -- and being totally taken advantage of. <BR/><BR/>The 17% number has been floating around for almost two decades now, seemingly gaining credibility simply by virtue of being repeated so many times, by folks like Limbaugh and Easterbrook. But it all dates back to a totally baldfaced lie made by George Will in his 9/3/1992 column. <BR/><BR/>In that column, he refers to an actual Gallop poll, and writes that the poll showed only 17% of climate scientists thinking humans are causing global warming. BUT THE ACTUAL FINDING WAS NOT 17% OF THEM BELIEVING THAT. IT WAS 66%!! Unless you can convince me that George Will is THAT stupid or absent-minded to honestly mistake 66% for 17%, then this was a DELIBERATE LIE. <BR/><BR/>And now, George Will was just recently (as of Feb.'09) caught again creating a bogus climate factoid when he wrote that some major University has concluded the polar ice caps are just as big as they were in 1979 -- another totally made-up lie. This guy needs to be kicked off the airwaves and stripped of his column.<BR/><BR/>But the fact that the 17% poll quote is still even CIRCULATING after all these years is a wonder of modern propaganda! It also really makes one wonder how confident the climate change deniers are with whatever ACTUAL facts they might have on their side that they would have to resort to FAKE poll results from ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO.<BR/><BR/>The plain fact is that both the American Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Union (the climate science organizations whose membership Gallop polled in 1991) have official statements on climate change, statements that their members have endorsed and that you can easily find on their websites, that clearly state that they, the expert climate scientists, believe that human-induced global climate change is real, and that if we don't change our energy habits very quickly, the future will likely be very very unpleasant. THE SCIENTISTS ARE ON RECORD. THEY ARE ON AL GORE'S SIDE. LET'S JUST ACCEPT THE FACTS AND GET BUSY DEALING WITH OUR RIDICULOUS PETROLEUM ADDICTION ONCE AND FOR ALL!<BR/><BR/>Of course, if you don't believe any of what I've said here, feel free to track it all down yourself. But below are some source materials to help you confirm what I've said.<BR/><BR/>SOURCE MATERIAL:<BR/>* AMS CLIMATE STATEMENT: http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2007climatechange.html<BR/>* AGU CLIMATE STATEMENT:<BR/>http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/positions/climate_change2008.shtml<BR/>* INFO ON BOGUS GALLOP POLL NUMBER:<BR/>--USA TODAY article (1/6/99): "Global warming debate generates much heat" http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/wclis28c.htm <BR/>--Page 4 of http://www.edf.org/documents/2246_AMomentofTruth_PartOne.pdf<BR/>-- http://www.bestofmaui.com/rush.html <BR/>-- The original Gallop poll may be hard to get hold of, but here's how I've seen it cited:<BR/>The Gallup Organization, A Gallup Study of Scientists' Opinions and Understanding of Global Climate Change, November 1991, pp. 5, 8. Available from the Center for Science, Technology and Media, 6900 Wisconsin Ave., Suite 700, Chevy Chase, MD 20815Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12965880047592385017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-76534055701650030802009-01-21T20:20:00.000+00:002009-01-21T20:20:00.000+00:00Thank you Stoat for posting this! Although it's mo...Thank you Stoat for posting this! Although it's more than three years since you wrote this I think it's really good that someone like you critiques globalwarming.org. I find it scary that if one googles "global warming" their site is 2nd from the top (Wikipedia is 1st)! A lot people who doesn't have the sort of depth of knowledge of climate change like you have, people who just want to get a general idea of what global warming is all a about, can be very deceived by the misrepresented information on globalwarming.org. Very few people go to the source of scientific research to see what the real truth about global warming really is. It's no wonder there are so many people out there who think that global warming is a hoax! <BR/>Anyway, I doing my little bits to fight global warming like using public transportation and changing to low-energy light bulbs. I also wrote this <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KjMxkScMuk" REL="nofollow"> song about global warming</A>. Hope you enjoy it! It's my hope is that people conscious of environmental issues will come to know this song and find inspiration from it.Joachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08141143967077939525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-83571227297215319302008-04-26T07:24:00.000+00:002008-04-26T07:24:00.000+00:00hi, thanks for letting me post in your blog... i d...hi, thanks for letting me post in your blog... i don't really like globalwarming.org i'd be weary of them... it seems kinda like it might be propaganda. i'm not just saying this because i don't agree with it, i just, i dunno, i get the same feeling browsing their sight that i got when i was conn'd into buying a fake spyware program that ruined my computer. seriously im not kidding. i don't know what it is. anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-10788503853404764552007-08-10T01:51:00.000+00:002007-08-10T01:51:00.000+00:00i am a big advocate of global warming, i am starti...i am a big advocate of global warming, i am starting a site to educate people on how to reduce the effects of global warmingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-1170985083077906792007-02-09T01:38:00.000+00:002007-02-09T01:38:00.000+00:00Hi, I just created a site called gloglobalwarming ...Hi, I just created a site called <A HREF="http://www.global-warming-awarness-2007.com/" REL="nofollow">gloglobalwarming awareness2007</A>. It is part of a SEO Championship, but I am trying to get good content on my site about global warming. Currently, I am working on a Q&A for global warming. I have a blog too. I'd love if you would come and talk about global warming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com