tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post7648987409521668003..comments2024-03-27T23:59:49.801+00:00Comments on Stoat: The moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the Republican Party?William M. Connolleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-24678279506439050052017-12-09T02:37:00.943+00:002017-12-09T02:37:00.943+00:00"The Shed at Dulwich"
The Very Top Rate..."The Shed at Dulwich"<br /><br />The Very Top Rated restaurant in London. #1 on TripAdvisor.<br /><br />https://web.archive.org/web/20171104223224/https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurants-g186338-London_England.html<br /><br /><br />Totally fake. A complete con. A web page, a burner cellphone and some fake reviews. The Donald Trump of TripAdvisor. Kinda like:<br /><br />The Brexit Shed.<br /><br />https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQd7-ulXkAcmByl.jpg:large<br /><br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567197089095711546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-18809366084312908022017-12-08T20:30:32.115+00:002017-12-08T20:30:32.115+00:00Wisdom does seem like a worthwhile goal. Seems to ...Wisdom does seem like a worthwhile goal. Seems to me that wisdom might start with acknowledging facts.<br /><br />https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/opinion/facts-have-a-well-known-liberal-bias.html<br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567197089095711546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-89677373663758755602017-12-08T17:16:43.841+00:002017-12-08T17:16:43.841+00:00"For wisdom is better than rubies; and all th..."For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it".<br /><br />However (at the risk of once again be misunderstood to be defending the Evil Plutocratic GOP) the solution to "this bunch of pols is rubbish" is "oh look, the voters have voted for someone else". If the voters don't, there's you problem. Why don't they? Either they disagree with you about the pols being rubbish, or perhaps they disagree with you that the alternative are Bright Shining Rubies of Wisdom.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-54579325088945958272017-12-08T16:07:04.591+00:002017-12-08T16:07:04.591+00:00"“What shall it profit a man,” Jesus asked, “..."“What shall it profit a man,” Jesus asked, “if he gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his own soul?” The current Republican Party seems to not understand that question. Donald Trump seems to have made gaining the world at the cost of his soul his entire life’s motto."<br /><br /><br />https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/opinion/the-gop-is-rotting.html<br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567197089095711546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-48159112530045527242017-12-08T15:26:48.047+00:002017-12-08T15:26:48.047+00:00"All in all I think it is just a bad idea.&qu..."All in all I think it is just a bad idea."<br /><br />Your opinion, OK. Some economists do agree with you. As I already pointed out.<br /><br />Just not all economists.<br /><br />"Protectionist tariffs" is from the Department of Redundancy Department. As Crandles has pointed out.<br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567197089095711546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-45702036453209910092017-12-08T14:23:01.054+00:002017-12-08T14:23:01.054+00:00I guess you're especially interested in carbon...I guess you're especially interested in carbon taxes, because. But the issue in play here is economic denialism; specifically, whether most major political parties (including the Dems, because I sense most of my readers tend to sympathise with them; I'm not suggesting the GOP are innocent in this regard) are effectively engaged in economic denialism compatible with GW denialism. In that context, nit-picking isn't interesting. GW denialists are perfectly capable or pointing up nits in GW; they don't win any points for that.<br /><br />But if you want to talk about carbon taxes in particular, I think that protectionism is in general such a bad idea that it needs clear evidence to justify itself. When I last looked at this (see <a href="https://wmconnolley.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/a-response-to-a-response-to-a-proportionate-response/" rel="nofollow">A response to a response to a proportionate response</a> it looked like there might be justification for imposing tariffs at the "ETS" rate (to talk specifically about Europe) but that amounts to such a low rate that it might be pointless; and also (when I last looked) some of the EU heavy emitters get their ETS permits free, so you'd need to work out if yer evil foreign jonnies were emitting in equivalent ways, and therefore should be allowed in free.<br /><br />All in all I think it is just a bad idea.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-43117803408107622532017-12-08T13:40:07.303+00:002017-12-08T13:40:07.303+00:00But if you impose a carbon tax then manufacturing ...But if you impose a carbon tax then manufacturing would be outsourced unless you also impose a import tariff on embedded carbon to *protect* your manufacturing industries. Doesn't that make it a protectionist import tariff?crandleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15181530527401007161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-31142217105386439262017-12-08T08:48:27.729+00:002017-12-08T08:48:27.729+00:00> all economists agree that all tariffs are a b...> all economists agree that all tariffs are a bad idea<br /><br />No; I said <i>"are protectionist tariffs a bad idea?" To which "all" economists would agree</i>. I hope you can see the difference.<br /><br />> is-anyone-ever-wrong-anymore<br /><br /><a href="https://wmconnolley.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/the-new-aristotelians/" rel="nofollow">https://wmconnolley.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/the-new-aristotelians/</a><br /><br />RS: you really ought to drop Safari for a Real Browser like Chrome :-) if you want to point people at <a href="https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.co.uk/2017/12/chin-deepinanother-river-in-africa.html" rel="nofollow">CHIN DEEP IN ANOTHER RIVER IN AFRICA ?</a>William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-5966368914283500652017-12-08T06:55:52.727+00:002017-12-08T06:55:52.727+00:00Climate change< a> has accelerated the loss...Climate change< a><a href="www.tinyurl.com/ya7wquak" rel="nofollow"> has accelerated the loss of their wits.</a><br /><br />https://tinyurl.com/ya7wquakTHE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-52543364118311978112017-12-08T00:44:27.141+00:002017-12-08T00:44:27.141+00:00https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-anyone-...https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-anyone-ever-wrong-anymore/2017/12/06/ba907bf0-d935-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.htmlPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567197089095711546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-68661424332474972082017-12-08T00:41:05.326+00:002017-12-08T00:41:05.326+00:00http://robrogers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/20...http://robrogers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/20171203_Tax_Plan.jpg<br />http://robrogers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/20171119_Tax_Reform.jpgEverett F Sargenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00201577558036010680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-91156878664429291172017-12-08T00:39:35.498+00:002017-12-08T00:39:35.498+00:00A tariff on carbon* is a tariff. Just as a tariff ...A tariff on carbon* is a tariff. Just as a tariff on coffee or eggs is a tariff.<br /><br />You have made the claim that all economists agree that all tariffs are a bad idea.<br /><br />Finding one type of tariff that many economists think is a good idea seems to me to refute that. Not all economists agree that at least one tariff is a bad idea, namely a tariff on carbon. There may be others, but that is outside our common interests. If you are going to impose a carbon tax, a carbon tariff might well be a good idea.<br /><br />So what is your confusion, again?<br /><br /><br /><br />* More correctly a tariff on the release of CO2 in the production of the goods in question.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567197089095711546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-38518625233623091372017-12-07T19:05:05.624+00:002017-12-07T19:05:05.624+00:00Now I'm confused: you're pinning your hope...Now I'm confused: you're pinning your hopes of finding examples of economists liking tariffs entirely on carbon tariffs?William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-9113986053517366082017-12-07T18:22:33.825+00:002017-12-07T18:22:33.825+00:00Google scholar hits in order:
http://www.scienced...Google scholar hits in order:<br /><br />http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0047272794014906<br /><br />http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0095069603000524<br /><br />http://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1054&context=economicsepri_wp<br /><br /><br /><br />Now for some alternative views:<br /><br />https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/105019/1/V-340-11.pdf<br /><br /><br />https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/3843/WPS5359.pdf?sequence=1<br /><br /><br />Looks like "all" economists don't agree. Much less that "all" economists agree that tariffs are a bad idea.<br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567197089095711546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-77181089320387339112017-12-07T17:20:57.520+00:002017-12-07T17:20:57.520+00:00> country A imposes a carbon tax
An interestin...> country A imposes a carbon tax<br /><br />An interesting question, but (in wiki terms) this is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research" rel="nofollow">OR</a> if the question is "what do economists think" then the answer needs to come from what economists have written.<br /><br />There's some prior art from me <a href="https://wmconnolley.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/a-response-to-a-response-to-a-proportionate-response/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. As to what is <i>needed</i> that's a more complex question. Possibly, nothing.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-73322128514965781112017-12-07T16:49:05.281+00:002017-12-07T16:49:05.281+00:00"are protectionist tariffs a bad idea?" ..."are protectionist tariffs a bad idea?" To which "all" economists would agree...<br /><br />Suppose country A and B have no tariffs. Then country A imposes a carbon tax. What would be the effect on trade?<br /><br />What sort of tariff would be needed to maximize the impact of the carbon tax while reducing the impact on the real economy?<br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567197089095711546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-49516815454366991972017-12-06T22:30:42.662+00:002017-12-06T22:30:42.662+00:00> so quick to speak
Meh. I notice you don'...> so quick to speak<br /><br />Meh. I notice you don't actually dispute it. Or do you?William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-10198984890131224132017-12-06T21:57:35.473+00:002017-12-06T21:57:35.473+00:00Which is more discouraging?
That none of the 11 ...Which is more discouraging?<br /><br /> That none of the 11 administrators Trump has appointed to do the bidding our new Secretary of Energy has an advanced science degree, or that Sec. Perry's B.Sc is in animal husbandry ?<br /><br />Still, things<a href="https://tinyurl.com/y76ns8s3" rel="nofollow"> could have gone worse</a>THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-30167564753672806712017-12-06T19:46:14.571+00:002017-12-06T19:46:14.571+00:00I can't decide whether to be more amused or an...I can't decide whether to be more amused or annoyed by the fact that Dr. WC, who claims not to have studied economics, is so quick to speak for "all" its practitioners.CapitalistImperialistPighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17523405806602731435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-34919406659380317432017-12-05T19:36:31.002+00:002017-12-05T19:36:31.002+00:00TANSTAAFL: Tax rearrangement bill:
It is not clea...TANSTAAFL: Tax rearrangement bill:<br /><br />It is not clear that it is popular with GOP lawmakers, and it is clearly not popular with voters at large. Who was it popular with?<br /><br />https://finance.yahoo.com/news/republican-tax-bill-unpopular-voters-153916878.html<br /><br />And as it turns out, the Senate bill wasn't even popular with them.<br /><br />http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/senate-gop-accidentally-killed-all-corporate-tax-deductions.html<br /><br /><br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567197089095711546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-82400866352332196452017-12-05T16:58:40.033+00:002017-12-05T16:58:40.033+00:00> Popper
Evidently not. If you haven't rea...> Popper<br /><br />Evidently not. If you haven't read "The open society and its enemies" (vols 1 and 2) then you should! Better than reading me :-)<br /><br />> apparently 66%<br /><br />Consensus on what: "who believe that half or more of recent warming is caused by humans"? I think 66% is too low for that. Even in 2013.<br /><br />> Tax cut bill is hardly popular<br /><br />Well it is popular with the GOP lawmakers. They might be doing it based entirely on their own narrow self interest and not responding to any pressure from outside, but I'm doubtful.<br /><br />> abolish capitalism<br /><br />That's the kind of drivel I expect from soft-fluffy-bunny commentators in the NYT. We can discuss that if you want, but I've warned you :-).<br /><br />From that article "The tax cuts are likely to increase the trade deficit, which President Trump purportedly wants to reduce". Yeah, but so what? Actual real economists are not really interested in that.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-86634353699368104362017-12-05T16:26:13.458+00:002017-12-05T16:26:13.458+00:00Tax cut bill is hardly popular. Not really a trink...Tax cut bill is hardly popular. Not really a trinket.<br /><br />https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/opinion/millennials-hate-capitalism.html<br /><br />"You don’t have to want to abolish capitalism to understand why the prospect is tempting to a generation that’s being robbed."<br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07567197089095711546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-36024998215340984092017-12-05T16:25:23.075+00:002017-12-05T16:25:23.075+00:00The consensus, as shown by Verheggen et al 2013 in...The consensus, as shown by Verheggen et al 2013 in a research study of climate scientists done by climate scientists, is apparently 66%, not 97%. It replicates the findings of Bray, von Storch et al, another survey of climate scientists by climate scientists, who also found a consensus of 66% who believe that half or more of recent warming is caused by humans.<br /><br />A pub search done by website regulars doesn't quite measure up.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12747117922597525042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-57547056549410395712017-12-05T13:28:05.064+00:002017-12-05T13:28:05.064+00:00It seems I haven't read enough Popper then. I...It seems I haven't read enough Popper then. I'm still not clear as to what obvious conclusion should have been drawn. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-9109592894815633532017-12-05T09:59:37.137+00:002017-12-05T09:59:37.137+00:00It is mt's post, so I think I can take it he a...It is mt's post, so I think I can take it he agrees with the ideas that CH has expressed. I would have expected him to clearly delineate anything he disagreed with. But "the text" notes well "...utopian political ideals were a materialized form of the Christian promise of salvation. Among utopians, it did not take long for the ideal of progress to harden into a law, a law of history... all champions of social transformation—democrats, Marxists and liberators of all kinds—could believe that history was on their side. That is what it meant to be ‘progressive’. Philosophers like Hegel provided...". Anyone who has read Popper will see where that points.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.com