tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post2318662417260950234..comments2024-03-27T23:59:49.801+00:00Comments on Stoat: DialecticWilliam M. Connolleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-66121918009495547962018-01-20T16:42:00.934+00:002018-01-20T16:42:00.934+00:00'The Trial': Ha! It's certainly inexpl...'The Trial': Ha! It's certainly inexplicable at the moment.<br /><br />As is this:<br /><br />https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/big-names-tackled-in-irish-courts-3l8xl0k67<br /><br />One of the scheme's Mauritius-based companies is using the Irish courts to try and get money back from some of the British 'high net worth individuals' involved in it. I must have misunderstood the scheme. I thought the loans weren't really loans and that the Mauritius companies were only there to bat the money to and fro, but ~300 cases so far, so it must be worthwhile for them.<br /><br />VBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-10717651880597219972018-01-19T20:18:53.966+00:002018-01-19T20:18:53.966+00:00AFD closed as keep as was almost inevitable. On th...<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ian_Swingland" rel="nofollow">AFD closed as keep</a> as was almost inevitable. On the page discussion continues about mentioning <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial" rel="nofollow">The Trial</a>.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-39341112696229654232018-01-13T13:36:13.023+00:002018-01-13T13:36:13.023+00:00VB again.VB again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-22262795599350660462018-01-13T13:35:26.550+00:002018-01-13T13:35:26.550+00:00Your edit seems about right Wikipedically. The ...Your edit seems about right Wikipedically. The 'following a trial...' is factual and suggests a connection without going beyond what the sources say. Is it legal, though? The Daily Mail said, in an <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5140197/Avon-Somerset-chief-constable-forfeits-Queens-medal.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> about the same Gazette, that it couldn't name Prof Mysterioso for legal reasons and the other big papers didn't report the removal at all - a bit crazy given that the Gazette wasn't anonymized, but there we are.<br /><br />I can't find a likely injunction on various lists of such things, so either I didn't look hard enough or it's a superinjunction or, perhaps most likely, the secrecy is due to the reporting restrictions that are usual in big fraud cases being extended because there's a retrial or one of the defendants is involved in a related trial.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-10252743855624302652018-01-12T21:55:59.696+00:002018-01-12T21:55:59.696+00:00I don't think there's any need for mysteri...I don't think there's any need for mysterious secrecy about the article, which is [[<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Swingland" rel="nofollow">Ian Swingland</a>]]. And you linked to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ian_Swingland" rel="nofollow">AFD</a>, which I've now patched up (he hadn't formatted it properly, or linked it to the day's discussions. Never mind, people expect that of noobs).<br /><br />As to the wiki-substance: (1) plenty of people say "I've donated, therefore..." and the answer is always "no"; (2) he is of course "wrong" (well, probably lying, but noobs are also not good at reading or understanding history) about the "constant" editing; the changes he doesn't like have been re-inserted <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ian_Swingland&diff=818434621&oldid=818049070" rel="nofollow">once</a> as far as I can see; (3) people not liking what wiki writes about them is commonplace, this is no new star. The answer will depend on: is the subject notable (answer: most likely yes); is there coverage from reliable sources about the subject (ditto).<br /><br />Articles are almost never deleted just because they are subject to vandalism / malice / unreasonable addition of content; the solution is simply to clean them up. The good news is that simply listing them for deletion brings them to the attention of people who care about this kind of stuff.<br /><br />As to the substance of the additions: that a trial occurred is true; I didn't find owt about injunctions but I did notice the oddity of a trial in 2016 with no result published and a distinct alck of recent stories about him. The stripping of the OBS is <a href="https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/62125/page/22126" rel="nofollow">well sourced</a> so I can't see the objection to that being included.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-79251758893917852032018-01-12T20:36:00.332+00:002018-01-12T20:36:00.332+00:00That last comment was by Vinny Burgoo. (New comput...That last comment was by Vinny Burgoo. (New computer. I can't find my Google password.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612793.post-79943748874420504882018-01-12T20:32:54.690+00:002018-01-12T20:32:54.690+00:00Sorry, I've no thoughts on 'dialectic'...Sorry, I've no thoughts on 'dialectic'. But do you have any thoughts on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ian_Swingland" rel="nofollow">this</a>? (Yes, it's OT but it <i>is</i> about Wikipedia.)<br /><br /><i>I am [xxx xxxxxxxxx]. I want the page concerning me deleted. I don't want a debate or discussion but the page struck off. It has become the target of constant editing by one person and as a donor to Wikipedia I believe I should have my wishes respected.</i><br /><br />As it happens, I think he was right to delete the two or three recent edits that inserted stuff about the xxxx xxxxx and the xxxxxxx of his xxx. They were unWikipedic in that they were speculations and weren't supported by the cited sources - they couldn't be otherwise because the injunction (whose exact terms remain mysterious) has meant that the trial verdict hasn't been published.<br /><br />But forget that. What are your Wiki-insider thoughts about the subject of a Wiki article demanding that his article be deleted because he has given money to the Wiki project?<br /><br />Is that a first?<br /><br />And what are his chances of success?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com